Eagle's Wings kindly provided me a link in response to my “Being a Dad” post. Arwen then responded to the content of the site the link was to, and as I don’t have anything else sensible to blog about today I thought I would take up the issue in a post!
For me personally, the theories of parenting that seem to make the most sense are those dealing with “attachment parenting.” How this works out in practice for me...well, we will have to wait and see but I will keep you informed!!
I think the link to the particular site that Eagle's Wings sent me is clearly trying very hard to find the right path in parenting, and address the question, "how can we parent in a godly manner?" I believe however, that the answers it comes up with are wrong. For example, here is an extract from the site:
Eileen wrote in concerned about a problem she felt that she was having with her childs behaviour in church:
"I am unable to find any specific advice on how to get a young child (ours is 18 months) to sit still in church. We would so like to have him in the service with us instead of the nursery, but that is completely unrealistic right now. You wouldn't advocate spanking him right in the middle of church, would you? He is otherwise a fairly well-behaved, happy little boy who has responded well to your training techniques."
The response to this given by the web site is :
“Please don't do that! Don't disrupt the entire church to spank your child. When you train at home you will not have to train in public. Go home and train. Set up a training session each day, duplicating as closely as possible the church service. Sit in uncomfortable chairs and play some hymns on the stereo. Then play teaching or preaching tapes while the family sits quietly and listens. Or you can sit beside him and read the Bible in a monotone voice. Better yet, if you don’t have the electronic media and you are able to induce your spouse to assist you, let your husband pretend he is the preacher and carry on for a little while, saying nothing interesting. Keep your switch handy, but not visible during this session. Speak in a whisper or use sign language as you would in church. If the child offends at a level that would be inappropriate in church, then swat him while making your sign language or while whispering your correction. "
I am involved in the leadership of church service, and find this description of church deeply disturbing. I am more than happy to have children being children in church! And I at least attempt to make sure that it provides them with some stimulation and sense of the presence of God. I could rant on that for hours alone, but I want to address the issue I consider far more important and disturbing: the idea of using a switch on an 18 mnth old child.
The issue of smacking has raged strongly in the UK as it has in many other parts of the world. The recommendations (to punish a child with a "rod" or "whip") of the website in question would be considered illegal in England, and in my opinion rightly so.
For this reason (and only this reason) I have taken the unusual step of removing the comments of both Eagle's Wings and Arwen, as they contain links to this website, and I am not comfortable providing links to a webpage which advocates something which is illegal in this county.
My attitude to smacking children is very much based on the kind of person I would like my child to become. My hope is that my child will be able to,with time, have a reasoned conversation about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour. Until that time I hope that the tone of my voice, and the way I respond to my child will show what is and isn’t okay. My hope is that as they grow older they will not feel the need to use physical force to convince someone of their belief, or to “get their own way” and that they will, as much as possible,be able to avoid situations in which others use physical force to coheres them.
I realise that we live in a society where this is not always possible, and on rare occasions I have had to use physical force to restrain someone. I worked for a while as a bouncer, and for a while in a hostel and over a period of two years I found a few occasions where force was required to prevent someone hurting themselves or someone else. I did not however, even in these situations find it necessary to hit them, instead I used the minimum force required to safely restrain them and then only at times where drink or drugs had made them incapable of reason, or I felt it was best to remove an iron bar from someones hand before talking through the issues surrounding attempting to beat someone to death with it.
I find it hard then to visualise a situation where a baby or child would be able to behave in a manner which would require me to strike them. If I can handle a 18 stone drunk man who is swearing and aggressive without slapping him, why should I need to slap a child? Both are fairly incapable of reason, yet in both cases, a potentially dangerous situations can be made safe, (by removing an iron bar from a drunk man, or lifting a baby away from a plug socket). In most cases I have found the tone of my voice and my physical presence are sufficient to convey that I am taking control of the situation, and that it will be alright.
In my youth work I have come across a lot of very broken people. Never have I felt the need to break a “hard case”. Instead I have tried to show people that they are cared for and valued, that their lives have meaning, and there is hope for them, and so, again, I can't subscribe to a style of parenting that suggests you have to “break a child” and let them know you are in charge. They can, I believe,know that you are indeed the parent, without you having to instil fear. As a broken man, I have no desire to break my child. Instead I hope, I pray, I will be able to be a parent who can help guide a child into becoming the person they are capable of being, whole, fulfilled, and loved.
Yours as ever,
The Broken Man
Thursday, 16 October 2008
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Oh man, you've just got a whole load of interesting hits from web searches with those tags my friend. ;)
Hear here, on all counts.
How anyone can expect a child to "do what I say, not what I do" when it comes to hitting people and smacking is a mystery to me. Yes, most people "turn out fine" after being smacked (I did, mostly), but why bother risking it when positive discipline works too? I'm hoping that I will have the patience to stick with this method!
Also, boring church is why kids grow up and lapse.
Fantastic post, Broken. You are ABSOLUTELY spot on and you're going to be an amazing dad because of it.
I will be interested to see how this all appears in another 10 years or so. I tend to agree with you on all counts, and used little direct physical discipline with our own sons. I know the feelings too well of wanting to control with force, and sometimes one must (when stopping a child from putting his/her fingers in the light socket).
More troubling and amusing was the description of a church service. I like children in church! not having them take over or be disruptive, of course, but our Lord seemed to enjoy children and told the disciples to stop trying to chase them away. And why should church include uncomfortable chairs and all the rest. I've been part of cell groups, something like a house church, big congregations in a big building, and so on. The one thing it has never been is boring. Why would I want to teach my children that church is boring by replicating the vista described?
Thanks for the post.
I am sad to say that here in New Zealand it is now Illegal to use "reasonable force" when disciplining a child.
That being said I think it is possible to raise children without smacking, but what children MUST learn is that there are consequences for disobeying, or being rude, or any other antisocial behaviour. Sure there are people with anger management problems that should never contemplate smacking their child because they may seriously be in danger of abusing their child - but that is a very small percentage. It's rediculous to remove a tried and true parenting technique from the tool box.
Yeah, I found those descriptions of church rather offensive too - why would anyone go to a church that sounded like that with a child and expect them to sit still for much longer than 5 minutes!
I'm with you, Broken Man, on the inadvisability of using any kind of corporal punishment on an 18 month old. As a matter of fact, I don't think "punishment" of any kind is appropriate for toddlers.
Certainly children must sometimes be physically restrained from doing dangerous things. And they should be disciplined, possibly with the use of time-outs, possibly by losing privileges or possessions when these things are abused, and most preferably by rewarding good behavior with attention, additional privileges and treats, while ignoring or gently discouraging non-dangerous bad behavior.
One safety-related discipline which can be taught as a game is the "freeze" game. This technique can keep a child from completing a dangerous act even when the adult is too far away to snatch a toddler out of harms' way.
The adults should make a game out of calling out "freeze" and "thaw" or "unfreeze", and play it with your little one(s) regularly. Then, if a child is reaching for a candle flame or electric socket, or trotting toward the street, you shout "freeze". Once they have frozen, go to the child and praise and hug him or her while physically moving them to a safer spot.
Give a child a milkshake, and praise them for drinking it, and they will show less preference for the drink in the long term.
Slap the hand of a baby, and even a year later (when the parents declared their usual parenting style to involve no corporal punishment at all) the baby is more withdrawn than others who recieved no slap in the lab.
The actual studies are astonishing, in that they show both punishment (including non-corporeal) *and* rewards to be non beneficial in either long term moral reasoning or behaviour when away from parental control.
I heartily agree with you. No child should be hit with anything, let alone a switch! For goodness sake that went out with the dark ages! Bringing up a child to obey out of fear only brings years of time on a therapist's couch as an adult. I am 50 years old, and was raised in the late 50s and 60s. My parents used a now-outmoded parenting style of shaming the child into behaving.
I learned how to make decisions based on watching my parent's faces as I made a decision. If their face was unhappy, I made a different decision until their face was happy. Thus, I learned to make decisions based on my parents' reactions rather than good solid common sense. As an adult, I was helpless to make good decisions until I'd made many, many bad ones. Then I finally developed the proper judgement I should have gotten 20 years ago.
My parents spanked, and it was the yanking-down-the-pants-and-putting-me-over-the-knee-and-spanking-bare-skin spanking. And that was administered by my father after he got home, after waiting in my room all afternoon, trembling in fear waiting for my father to get home and to get my spanking. I was afraid of my father for many, many years, well into adulthood. I spent several years in therapy and still haven't worked out all my neuroses. I still have an intense fear of criticism and rejection, and my butt still tingles to this day thinking about the spankings I received as a child. I only received that kind of punishment (I can count them on both hands) after something they perceived as particularly heinous, but what they don't know is that what could have been a teaching moment became something that scarred me for life.
What I remember as a child, was that I rarely did things out of defiance. If my parents could have taught me first and then spanked only after I was willfully defiant, that may have been different.
Please, please don't parent your child this way. A child parented with love and acceptance, along with consequences not punishment, is a much more well-adjusted child. Parenting by using fear is just horrible.
Thanks for your always insightful blog. :-)
Am I the only one who sees the excerpt from "the website" as a bit tongue-in-cheek? I'm certain it's not meant to be taken seriously. I take it as poking a bit of fun at the adult who actually expects an 18 month old child to be still for more than two minutes. Expect age appropriate behavior from a child and toddlers have little tolerance for being still.
Being a parent is knowing your child is the greatest blessing you will ever receive, even when that child becomes a teenager.
Love is the key. You'll do just fine.
You would think so wouldnt you, but seriously, it is not a joke site, they are deadly serious.
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